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		<title>by: india uncut originally &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Can journalism be both wrong and outstanding?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: india uncut originally &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Noam Chomsky, the capitalist</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 01:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Yazad</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 05:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Natty,

If Chomsky himself does not follow the ideas he propounds, then what he says about &quot;nature of our economy, society, etc.&quot; is all hot air as he's not willing to follow through those abstract ideals and put them in practise.</description>
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<p>If Chomsky himself does not follow the ideas he propounds, then what he says about &#8220;nature of our economy, society, etc.&#8221; is all hot air as he&#8217;s not willing to follow through those abstract ideals and put them in practise.
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		<title>by: Natty</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/10/25/a-closet-capitalist-called-chomsky/#comment-6377</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This argument violates one of the most elemental logical fallacies, that of attacking the person. Rather than addressing the issues Chomsky raises, you have effectively avoided them and moved into a &quot;you don't practice what you preach&quot; argument. I don't care about his personal life. I care about what he has to say about the nature of our economy, society, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument violates one of the most elemental logical fallacies, that of attacking the person. Rather than addressing the issues Chomsky raises, you have effectively avoided them and moved into a &#8220;you don&#8217;t practice what you preach&#8221; argument. I don&#8217;t care about his personal life. I care about what he has to say about the nature of our economy, society, etc.
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		<title>by: varunan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Will Arijit Sett please note:

Dictionary 
com·mod·i·fy (kə-mŏd'ə-fī') 
tr.v., -fied, -fy·ing, -fies.
To turn into or treat as a commodity; make commercial: “Such music . . . commodifies the worst sorts of . . . stereotypes” (Michiko Kakutani).

[COMMODI(TY) + –FY.]</description>
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<p>Dictionary<br />
com·mod·i·fy (kə-mŏd&#8217;ə-fī&#8217;)<br />
tr.v., -fied, -fy·ing, -fies.<br />
To turn into or treat as a commodity; make commercial: “Such music . . . commodifies the worst sorts of . . . stereotypes” (Michiko Kakutani).</p>
<p>[COMMODI(TY) + –FY.]
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		<title>by: Indian Capitalist</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/10/25/a-closet-capitalist-called-chomsky/#comment-4803</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I enjoyed this post. You should consider mailing a link to the post to India's own utter Chomskey nutter Arundhati Roy. She too has succesfully branded herself but to everyone else she seems to be harping endlessly on virtues of Maoist revolution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed this post. You should consider mailing a link to the post to India&#8217;s own utter Chomskey nutter Arundhati Roy. She too has succesfully branded herself but to everyone else she seems to be harping endlessly on virtues of Maoist revolution.
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		<title>by: Nilu</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/10/25/a-closet-capitalist-called-chomsky/#comment-4802</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Distinctions between the message and the messenger cannot be cited as an argument here - for the simple reason that we are not debating the message. The issue here is Chomsky's ignorance of his own position in the spectrum. 

No one is questioning his right to own a copyright. What is in question here is his insistance that others do not/should not have that right. Again, the question is not whether he has a right to invest and create trust funds, what is in question is his insistance that others do not have that right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Distinctions between the message and the messenger cannot be cited as an argument here - for the simple reason that we are not debating the message. The issue here is Chomsky&#8217;s ignorance of his own position in the spectrum. </p>
<p>No one is questioning his right to own a copyright. What is in question here is his insistance that others do not/should not have that right. Again, the question is not whether he has a right to invest and create trust funds, what is in question is his insistance that others do not have that right.
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		<title>by: swami</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To add to the last two sentences in my prev. comment - 

&quot;I am sure, a thousand credible counters can be given to Schweizer’s article. --- provided the necessary research and interpretations are done&quot;

However, I dont think it is worth it because &quot;I agree with the contradiction pointed out by Schweizer&quot;.  

The man is making a point - and I dont see any reason not to take it.  I only have problems with the boldfacing and underlining, and that doesnt matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to the last two sentences in my prev. comment - </p>
<p>&#8220;I am sure, a thousand credible counters can be given to Schweizer’s article. &#8212; provided the necessary research and interpretations are done&#8221;</p>
<p>However, I dont think it is worth it because &#8220;I agree with the contradiction pointed out by Schweizer&#8221;.  </p>
<p>The man is making a point - and I dont see any reason not to take it.  I only have problems with the boldfacing and underlining, and that doesnt matter.
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		<title>by: swami</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hariprasad says - 

&quot;The rational tone of the comments by amit, ravikiran in support of their views is slightly missing from the words of Peter Schweizer. He sounds partisan. &quot;

I don't know about the rational tone of amit and ravi, but i got the exact same feeling when i read Schweizer's article.  It had a partisan and over-the-board tone to it.  To draw parallel, it was like watching Sun TV (owned by Karunanidhi's family) on a news item regarding Jayalalitha's corruption.  

I am sure, a thousand credible counters can be given to Schweizer's article.  

On the same note, I agree with the contradiction pointed out by Schweizer in Chomsky's attitude towards trusts etc.</description>
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<p>&#8220;The rational tone of the comments by amit, ravikiran in support of their views is slightly missing from the words of Peter Schweizer. He sounds partisan. &#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the rational tone of amit and ravi, but i got the exact same feeling when i read Schweizer&#8217;s article.  It had a partisan and over-the-board tone to it.  To draw parallel, it was like watching Sun TV (owned by Karunanidhi&#8217;s family) on a news item regarding Jayalalitha&#8217;s corruption.  </p>
<p>I am sure, a thousand credible counters can be given to Schweizer&#8217;s article.  </p>
<p>On the same note, I agree with the contradiction pointed out by Schweizer in Chomsky&#8217;s attitude towards trusts etc.
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		<title>by: Ashutosh</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>An implicit assumption in the above kind of analysis seems to be that a man who criticizes a system should completely renounce everything to do with the system. This is simply not possible in most circumstances. In fact, today if you want to criticize any system of reasonable size, you have to be in a position to do so yourself, both in terms of status and money. For example, if you want to help the poor, you yourself have to first become rich enough to help them. This is not hypocrisy. It’s simply the means that are necessary these days to achieve that objective. These days, people listen to you in the first place only if you have prestige or money, or both. I don’t think Chomsky is seeking monetary gains for himself that are in any way out of line or extravagant. To ask him to give up being part of the capitalist system before criticizing it is a little childish; one may as well ask him not to wear Levi’s jeans and Calvin Klein shirts before he writes a critique of textile corporations. Going to an even bigger extreme, one may as well demand that he not consume life saving medicines, if he wants to criticize the pharmaceutical industry. Gone are the days when one could live in a forest and preach about iniquity and goodness, expecting social and political revolutions. In fact it can be argued that those among Chomsky’s critics who demand that he completely forgo capitalism want him to do exactly that: to leave the US and be in a place where he will be unable to criticize and expose them, so that they can now enjoy a nice, Chomsky-free, blissfully ignorant life themselves.

If commodification refers to Chomsky's drive to make his ideas known through constant reiteration and by providing massive amounts of references about them, then any writer who assertively makes a point is guilty of trying to 'commodify himself'. The more important question concerns the image which people have of him. It can be argued that it's the people who are commodifying Chomsky through idolatry. He is merely presenting his ideas in a forceful manner, in a way that he deems fit. If people are taking his word as dogma and attaching a brand value to them, it's really their problem, not his. In fact, this would be a part of the general hero-worship of him that people indulge in. In his works that I have read, I have not come across Chomsky saying something to the effect of 'This is important because I say it'. In fact, that is precisely what drew me to his writings. A lot of the things which he says are 'elementary' (although the kind of elusive elementary concepts that we find elementary only in retrospect). Much of what he says can be gleaned through common sense, and by keeping your eyes open and your mind alert. Much of what he says can be understood if we read the everyday news intelligently and critically. You can hate Chomsky and still check up on his references objectively and agree with many things that he says. You certainly don't have to believe in something because Chomsky says it. A lot of his references are accessible, especially in today's Internet age, and so can be verified quite independently of him. So I believe that Chomsky does not try to 'commodify' himself. If any one, it's the people who worship him that do so. Hero-worship is largely the people's fault, not the hero's. In fact, given the critical and objective thinking that Chomsky encourages his readers to do, he would never approve of any hero-worship. In a Berkeley talk a few years ago, he said (in rough paraphrase), &quot;People come to hear me talk and would believe me because I am a Professor from MIT. That is nonsense. They should hear me speak and then think about what I have said, making up their own mind quite independently of who I am&quot;. In fact, Chomsky's attitudes are exactly those that are supposed to prevail in scientific and unbiased thinking.

the statements about getting his articles and speeches for a fee look one-sided. Do a Google search and see how many of his important articles and audio interviews you can get for free. There are also many video clips which you can see for free. So there is actually more of a case that you can make here for the number of articles and clips of his that are freely available. Again, as far as his name is concerned, it would only be a servile and easily swayed reader who will assume that a book is great only because it has Chomsky’s name on it. So again, I think the burden of answerability is more on the readers. Also, I can see that this is a good example of how the publishers are manufacturing the consent of readers by using Chomsky’s name, something that Chomsky has constantly written about. Regarding the high fee for his public speeches, first of all, there are many professional speakers who charge that kind of fee for speeches. I don’t know the exact nature of the fee structure for professional speakers, but one can think of reasons why he charges a high fee. The simple goal may be to filter the number of requests for speeches that he gets. I am sure that someone like Chomsky must be getting hundreds of requests for speeches and interviews almost every day. If the usual systems of filtering based on priority don’t work and if he is still getting deluged with requests, I would not be surprised if monetary filters are the only ones that can be used to restrict the number of talks that he gives. And again, all this argument is only assuming that there is something inherently wrong or 'capitalist' in charging a high fee for giving a public speech. Also as before, the analysis seems to be neglecting the number of free talks he has given.

Regarding Chomsky's capitalizing on 9/11 etc., If Chomsky did all this, at most, it would be all right to call him an opportunist. Firstly, how does that make him an ardent capitalist by default? Secondly, by that token, all of us are opportunists. Wouldn’t all of us like to do something at the right place and the right time to maximize the impact of our opinions and thoughts? Chomsky seems to have simply done that. Again, as for the fee, he could have done that precisely because he was in greater demand and wanted to limit the number of speeches that he would need to give.

As for Chomsky's views about the Khmer Rouge, yes, he did receive flak for them. But firstly, they constitute only a small part of his work over the years, and everybody can make mistakes. Many of his references are verifiable, about many diverse matters. Secondly, it is very much true that the US media vastly overinflated the discussion of the Khmer Rouge horrors, unspeakable as they were, and almost completely stifled the coverage of the also horrific Indonesian invasion of East Timor whose consequences were being seen at the same time.

Lastly, an observation- Peter Schweizer has written two other books, one on the Bush dynasty, and the other one on the Reagan dynasty, and both have received reviews from Publishers Weekly, which point to the fact that they seem biased. His book from which the Chomsky critique has been picked, itself has has been said to be something which is less of a critique of liberal ideology, and more of fodder for ad hominem bloggers. (Amazon)

 Let me emphasize that I am not saying that the opinions or statements of Peter Schweizer are false. I only think that they cannot provide a conclusive picture of Chomsky being a closet capitalist, and they lay too much emphasis on the man himself rather than his deeds. Men live and die, but it's their ideas which endure. If Chomsky's models endure, after a hundred years, his personal life's activities as such would be a footnote to a footnote, compared to the discussion of his ideas. Even if he does do the things noted above, the motivations could be very different from what have been assumed. Quibbling over the above-mentioned traits of Noam Chomsky, would be, I think, doing a great disservice to his work and the body of knowledge he has erected, on which we should really be spending our time. Irrespective of what Chomsky does, it would be a good idea to consult his references and read his words. The proof of the pudding is in its eating, not in the private life of the cook.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An implicit assumption in the above kind of analysis seems to be that a man who criticizes a system should completely renounce everything to do with the system. This is simply not possible in most circumstances. In fact, today if you want to criticize any system of reasonable size, you have to be in a position to do so yourself, both in terms of status and money. For example, if you want to help the poor, you yourself have to first become rich enough to help them. This is not hypocrisy. It’s simply the means that are necessary these days to achieve that objective. These days, people listen to you in the first place only if you have prestige or money, or both. I don’t think Chomsky is seeking monetary gains for himself that are in any way out of line or extravagant. To ask him to give up being part of the capitalist system before criticizing it is a little childish; one may as well ask him not to wear Levi’s jeans and Calvin Klein shirts before he writes a critique of textile corporations. Going to an even bigger extreme, one may as well demand that he not consume life saving medicines, if he wants to criticize the pharmaceutical industry. Gone are the days when one could live in a forest and preach about iniquity and goodness, expecting social and political revolutions. In fact it can be argued that those among Chomsky’s critics who demand that he completely forgo capitalism want him to do exactly that: to leave the US and be in a place where he will be unable to criticize and expose them, so that they can now enjoy a nice, Chomsky-free, blissfully ignorant life themselves.</p>
<p>If commodification refers to Chomsky&#8217;s drive to make his ideas known through constant reiteration and by providing massive amounts of references about them, then any writer who assertively makes a point is guilty of trying to &#8216;commodify himself&#8217;. The more important question concerns the image which people have of him. It can be argued that it&#8217;s the people who are commodifying Chomsky through idolatry. He is merely presenting his ideas in a forceful manner, in a way that he deems fit. If people are taking his word as dogma and attaching a brand value to them, it&#8217;s really their problem, not his. In fact, this would be a part of the general hero-worship of him that people indulge in. In his works that I have read, I have not come across Chomsky saying something to the effect of &#8216;This is important because I say it&#8217;. In fact, that is precisely what drew me to his writings. A lot of the things which he says are &#8216;elementary&#8217; (although the kind of elusive elementary concepts that we find elementary only in retrospect). Much of what he says can be gleaned through common sense, and by keeping your eyes open and your mind alert. Much of what he says can be understood if we read the everyday news intelligently and critically. You can hate Chomsky and still check up on his references objectively and agree with many things that he says. You certainly don&#8217;t have to believe in something because Chomsky says it. A lot of his references are accessible, especially in today&#8217;s Internet age, and so can be verified quite independently of him. So I believe that Chomsky does not try to &#8216;commodify&#8217; himself. If any one, it&#8217;s the people who worship him that do so. Hero-worship is largely the people&#8217;s fault, not the hero&#8217;s. In fact, given the critical and objective thinking that Chomsky encourages his readers to do, he would never approve of any hero-worship. In a Berkeley talk a few years ago, he said (in rough paraphrase), &#8220;People come to hear me talk and would believe me because I am a Professor from MIT. That is nonsense. They should hear me speak and then think about what I have said, making up their own mind quite independently of who I am&#8221;. In fact, Chomsky&#8217;s attitudes are exactly those that are supposed to prevail in scientific and unbiased thinking.</p>
<p>the statements about getting his articles and speeches for a fee look one-sided. Do a Google search and see how many of his important articles and audio interviews you can get for free. There are also many video clips which you can see for free. So there is actually more of a case that you can make here for the number of articles and clips of his that are freely available. Again, as far as his name is concerned, it would only be a servile and easily swayed reader who will assume that a book is great only because it has Chomsky’s name on it. So again, I think the burden of answerability is more on the readers. Also, I can see that this is a good example of how the publishers are manufacturing the consent of readers by using Chomsky’s name, something that Chomsky has constantly written about. Regarding the high fee for his public speeches, first of all, there are many professional speakers who charge that kind of fee for speeches. I don’t know the exact nature of the fee structure for professional speakers, but one can think of reasons why he charges a high fee. The simple goal may be to filter the number of requests for speeches that he gets. I am sure that someone like Chomsky must be getting hundreds of requests for speeches and interviews almost every day. If the usual systems of filtering based on priority don’t work and if he is still getting deluged with requests, I would not be surprised if monetary filters are the only ones that can be used to restrict the number of talks that he gives. And again, all this argument is only assuming that there is something inherently wrong or &#8216;capitalist&#8217; in charging a high fee for giving a public speech. Also as before, the analysis seems to be neglecting the number of free talks he has given.</p>
<p>Regarding Chomsky&#8217;s capitalizing on 9/11 etc., If Chomsky did all this, at most, it would be all right to call him an opportunist. Firstly, how does that make him an ardent capitalist by default? Secondly, by that token, all of us are opportunists. Wouldn’t all of us like to do something at the right place and the right time to maximize the impact of our opinions and thoughts? Chomsky seems to have simply done that. Again, as for the fee, he could have done that precisely because he was in greater demand and wanted to limit the number of speeches that he would need to give.</p>
<p>As for Chomsky&#8217;s views about the Khmer Rouge, yes, he did receive flak for them. But firstly, they constitute only a small part of his work over the years, and everybody can make mistakes. Many of his references are verifiable, about many diverse matters. Secondly, it is very much true that the US media vastly overinflated the discussion of the Khmer Rouge horrors, unspeakable as they were, and almost completely stifled the coverage of the also horrific Indonesian invasion of East Timor whose consequences were being seen at the same time.</p>
<p>Lastly, an observation- Peter Schweizer has written two other books, one on the Bush dynasty, and the other one on the Reagan dynasty, and both have received reviews from Publishers Weekly, which point to the fact that they seem biased. His book from which the Chomsky critique has been picked, itself has has been said to be something which is less of a critique of liberal ideology, and more of fodder for ad hominem bloggers. (Amazon)</p>
<p> Let me emphasize that I am not saying that the opinions or statements of Peter Schweizer are false. I only think that they cannot provide a conclusive picture of Chomsky being a closet capitalist, and they lay too much emphasis on the man himself rather than his deeds. Men live and die, but it&#8217;s their ideas which endure. If Chomsky&#8217;s models endure, after a hundred years, his personal life&#8217;s activities as such would be a footnote to a footnote, compared to the discussion of his ideas. Even if he does do the things noted above, the motivations could be very different from what have been assumed. Quibbling over the above-mentioned traits of Noam Chomsky, would be, I think, doing a great disservice to his work and the body of knowledge he has erected, on which we should really be spending our time. Irrespective of what Chomsky does, it would be a good idea to consult his references and read his words. The proof of the pudding is in its eating, not in the private life of the cook.</p>
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