Comments on: He cures! http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/ Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:21:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: robert http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-6569 Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:48:46 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-6569 O.K. for all of you non-believers.Where does time come from? no one knows.Where does the big bang that supposedly started it all come from? no one knows.Existince and time just don't come from no where.Where did the black void that exploded into the big bang come from? And if we evolved from single cell organisms millions of years ago in which some scientist believe wouldn't we have found life on another planet or wouldn't it have done found us? The universe is billions of years old and there is trillions and trillions of stars and planets.And God says he created no others but us.So if there is no God,out of a number that large I believe we would have done found life or it would have found us.Nothing just dosn't come from nothing!And so I firmly believe in God!!If you have any comments or questions regarding my statment I would be glad to respond.Thanks for reading. O.K. for all of you non-believers.Where does time come from? no one knows.Where does the big bang that supposedly started it all come from? no one knows.Existince and time just don’t come from no where.Where did the black void that exploded into the big bang come from? And if we evolved from single cell organisms millions of years ago in which some scientist believe wouldn’t we have found life on another planet or wouldn’t it have done found us? The universe is billions of years old and there is trillions and trillions of stars and planets.And God says he created no others but us.So if there is no God,out of a number that large I believe we would have done found life or it would have found us.Nothing just dosn’t come from nothing!And so I firmly believe in God!!If you have any comments or questions regarding my statment I would be glad to respond.Thanks for reading.

]]> by: Pole http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-4164 Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:07:25 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-4164 That’s real atheism. Or probably atheist is not the right word for me to describe myself: I just don’t think about god and religion. It’s a waste of time for me to ponder over them. If I had seen that sign outside the hospital, it wouldn’t have bothered me enough to blog about it. That’s real atheism. Or probably atheist is not the right word for me to describe myself: I just don’t think about god and religion. It’s a waste of time for me to ponder over them. If I had seen that sign outside the hospital, it wouldn’t have bothered me enough to blog about it.

]]> by: Varath http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3656 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3656 I think you've got to clarify your definition of God. The way I see it, God is the sum total of all things that cannot be rationally explained by man. So a God by definition doesnt have to be "good" and "caring", and hence I dont see anything wrong in the concept of an uncaring God - which would mean the first possibility that you've listed is quite possibly true. So how can you say so surely that Option 2 is the correct one? I think you’ve got to clarify your definition of God. The way I see it, God is the sum total of all things that cannot be rationally explained by man. So a God by definition doesnt have to be “good” and “caring”, and hence I dont see anything wrong in the concept of an uncaring God - which would mean the first possibility that you’ve listed is quite possibly true. So how can you say so surely that Option 2 is the correct one?

]]> by: Abi http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3657 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3657 Aha, indeed! Another aha -- at least for me -- is that, ultimately, one's faith in god just that: a faith. What you have done here is to take one practical observation, and show that it is logically inconsistent with certain characteristics of god. This is a pointless exercise because a believer can then cite some other characteristic (as Varath has done: "God is the sum total of all things that cannot be rationally explained by man"), and tell you that there is no inconsistency at all. Suppose some 'believer' comes along and says eclipses happen when a cosmic snake swallows the moon/sun -- just to spit it out after a few minutes -- you wouldn't try to use logic to disprove it, would you? Instead, you would ask that person to provide a proof for his/her belief. IMHO, a belief or faith in god should be treated exactly the same way: the onus should be on the believers to prove the existence of god -- using logic/science -- to convince the non-believers. Now, *that* would be lots of fun ... Aha, indeed! Another aha — at least for me — is that, ultimately, one’s faith in god just that: a faith.

What you have done here is to take one practical observation, and show that it is logically inconsistent with certain characteristics of god. This is a pointless exercise because a believer can then cite some other characteristic (as Varath has done: “God is the sum total of all things that cannot be rationally explained by man”), and tell you that there is no inconsistency at all.

Suppose some ‘believer’ comes along and says eclipses happen when a cosmic snake swallows the moon/sun — just to spit it out after a few minutes — you wouldn’t try to use logic to disprove it, would you? Instead, you would ask that person to provide a proof for his/her belief.

IMHO, a belief or faith in god should be treated exactly the same way: the onus should be on the believers to prove the existence of god — using logic/science — to convince the non-believers. Now, *that* would be lots of fun …

]]> by: Nilu http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3658 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3658 <i>And, if God exists, but is unable to intervene, then he isn&#8217;t much of a God anyway</i>. This is as circular as you have accused the other arguments of. Let us for the sake of argument assume that the grandiose equation that is the TOE is actually God and every root(which can quite easily run to infinity) be an event. Tell me how is such an equation which is passive not worth much? P.S. : Am no theist and do not believe there exists a TOE either. Am just trying to point that your initial definition does leave a lot of scope for theists to get back. And, if God exists, but is unable to intervene, then he isn’t much of a God anyway.

This is as circular as you have accused the other arguments of.

Let us for the sake of argument assume that the grandiose equation that is the TOE is actually God and every root(which can quite easily run to infinity) be an event. Tell me how is such an equation which is passive not worth much?

P.S. : Am no theist and do not believe there exists a TOE either. Am just trying to point that your initial definition does leave a lot of scope for theists to get back.

]]> by: Ck http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3659 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3659 Try this on for size a no. 3 to your two over simplified scenarios: 3. God does exist. He is omipotent and powerful but he doesn't really care about you or me or all of humanity for that matter - no more than we'd care for a sample of bacteria growing on a dish in a lab but we could still toss then whole thing in the trash. Now this is not necessarily what I believe but seems plausible. Try this on for size a no. 3 to your two over simplified scenarios:

3. God does exist. He is omipotent and powerful but he doesn’t really care about you or me or all of humanity for that matter - no more than we’d care for a sample of bacteria growing on a dish in a lab but we could still toss then whole thing in the trash.

Now this is not necessarily what I believe but seems plausible.

]]> by: Shivam Vij http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3660 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3660 I have been following Yazad's musings on god and religion and frankly, I don't care whether or not god exists, and I see no point in debating this. That's real atheism. Or probably atheist is not the right word for me to describe myself: I just don't think about god and religion. It's a waste of time for me to ponder over them. If I had seen that sign outside the hospital, it wouldn't have bothered me enough to blog about it. I do understand why it's up there, and why it will be for a long time to come. Shivam I have been following Yazad’s musings on god and religion and frankly, I don’t care whether or not god exists, and I see no point in debating this. That’s real atheism. Or probably atheist is not the right word for me to describe myself: I just don’t think about god and religion. It’s a waste of time for me to ponder over them. If I had seen that sign outside the hospital, it wouldn’t have bothered me enough to blog about it. I do understand why it’s up there, and why it will be for a long time to come.

Shivam

]]> by: jm http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3661 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3661 well i agree with varath .. the concept of god is that of something infinite which is beyond the scope of a finite human mind. There are many things which even the laws of physics cannot prove. How does science explain that there are three heavy stones at rameshwaram floating on water since ages (without sinking), which were supposedly used by Rama and his sena as a foundation stone to build a bridge between India and Sri Lanka (something which <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/rama-s-bridge" rel="nofollow">NASA's satellite </a>has captured) I am just giving a simple example which is seemingly illogical, but it is TRUE. You can find those three stones even today. well i agree with varath .. the concept of god is that of something infinite which is beyond the scope of a finite human mind.
There are many things which even the laws of physics cannot prove.

How does science explain that there are three heavy stones at rameshwaram floating on water since ages (without sinking), which were supposedly used by Rama and his sena as a foundation stone to build a bridge between India and Sri Lanka (something which NASA’s satellite has captured)
I am just giving a simple example which is seemingly illogical, but it is TRUE. You can find those three stones even today.

]]> by: Dilip D'Souza http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3662 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3662 Shivam says: <i>frankly, I don't care whether or not god exists, and I see no point in debating this. That's real atheism</i>. Not that I'm going to go on too long pressing this (I don't care to!) ... but that's not real atheism, but real agnosticism. The <i>agnostic</i> doesn't care whether god exists, and sees no point debating it. The <i>atheist</i> is convinced that god does not exist: a position that agnostics find an irrational as claiming she DOES exist. Shivam says: frankly, I don’t care whether or not god exists, and I see no point in debating this. That’s real atheism.

Not that I’m going to go on too long pressing this (I don’t care to!) … but that’s not real atheism, but real agnosticism. The agnostic doesn’t care whether god exists, and sees no point debating it. The atheist is convinced that god does not exist: a position that agnostics find an irrational as claiming she DOES exist.

]]> by: gaurav http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3663 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/06/17/he-cures/#comment-3663 Gos is SHE Atlest that explains multiple orgasms :-&#124; Gos is SHE

Atlest that explains multiple orgasms :-|

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