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		<title>by: TOL</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3141</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;I read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead as a schoolgirl..&quot;, interesting....:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I read Atlas Shrugged and Fountainhead as a schoolgirl..&#8221;, interesting&#8230;.:)
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		<title>by: GratisGab</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3142</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great gift...

&quot;My problem with Ayn Rand is that she makes no allowances for the frailties of human nature&quot;

Couldn't agree more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great gift&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;My problem with Ayn Rand is that she makes no allowances for the frailties of human nature&#8221;</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more!
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		<title>by: Ram</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3143</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I was walking one day down the road and being rational I was conserving energy not thinking. Then this guy pulls out a gun on me and says &quot;hand me your money&quot;. Fortunately I too had a gun. Unfortunately that guy appeared to be crazy and psychotic. I explained that there would be no use shooting me because then i would shoot him and we'ed both end up dead. &quot;hand me the money&quot; he replied angrily and behaving even more irrationally. I then reckoned that I better give him the money or else i could find myself dead. Behaving irrationally paid of for the drug induced thief. Moral of the story: irrational can be rational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was walking one day down the road and being rational I was conserving energy not thinking. Then this guy pulls out a gun on me and says &#8220;hand me your money&#8221;. Fortunately I too had a gun. Unfortunately that guy appeared to be crazy and psychotic. I explained that there would be no use shooting me because then i would shoot him and we&#8217;ed both end up dead. &#8220;hand me the money&#8221; he replied angrily and behaving even more irrationally. I then reckoned that I better give him the money or else i could find myself dead. Behaving irrationally paid of for the drug induced thief. Moral of the story: irrational can be rational.
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		<title>by: Yazad</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3144</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ram, a man with a gun threatens you. You too have a gun. What are you waiting for? Shoot him. It's called self defense. If you don't use the gun, it's you who's being irrational.

The thief is actually rather rational. He's not going to shoot--just threaten to shoot, knowing fully well (or taking a small risk) that nice guys like you will only flash a gun and not use it, thereby getting him what he wants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ram, a man with a gun threatens you. You too have a gun. What are you waiting for? Shoot him. It&#8217;s called self defense. If you don&#8217;t use the gun, it&#8217;s you who&#8217;s being irrational.</p>
<p>The thief is actually rather rational. He&#8217;s not going to shoot&#8211;just threaten to shoot, knowing fully well (or taking a small risk) that nice guys like you will only flash a gun and not use it, thereby getting him what he wants.
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		<title>by: Prakash</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3145</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;An animal’s senses provide it with an automatic code of values, an automatic knowledge of what is good or benefits him, and what is evil or what endangers its life. Unlike man it instinctively avoids that which is bad. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thats true for human beings, too. Our senses like taste, which is naturally attracted to high-calorie foods (sugar, fat) or electrolytes (salt). These foods were of  survival value in the environment human civilization grew up in.

It is quite ironic that objectivists are amongst the most fervent supporters of evolution today. Because if both evolution and objectivism are true, then there must have been a point where man transitioned from being an animal (led by instincts) to being a rational person.

What change happened then? 
What is it that made for that change? What is the appropriate behaviour with animals that maybe at that threshold today? - These are all quite complex questions (which many great minds have wrestled with) to which objectivism gives simplistic answers.

I believe that we are constructed in layers. I believe that the animal always exists within us. 

If one admantly wants to be an atheist, one could consider the more developed philosophies of jainism, buddhism, sankhya or vedanta. All of these philosophies are near-atheistic, some of them having evolutionary overtones. 

Pesonally, I am an agnostic, because i believe that it is the only position that any scientifically inclined person, who is open to new experiences can honestly take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>An animal’s senses provide it with an automatic code of values, an automatic knowledge of what is good or benefits him, and what is evil or what endangers its life. Unlike man it instinctively avoids that which is bad. </p></blockquote>
<p>Thats true for human beings, too. Our senses like taste, which is naturally attracted to high-calorie foods (sugar, fat) or electrolytes (salt). These foods were of  survival value in the environment human civilization grew up in.</p>
<p>It is quite ironic that objectivists are amongst the most fervent supporters of evolution today. Because if both evolution and objectivism are true, then there must have been a point where man transitioned from being an animal (led by instincts) to being a rational person.</p>
<p>What change happened then?<br />
What is it that made for that change? What is the appropriate behaviour with animals that maybe at that threshold today? - These are all quite complex questions (which many great minds have wrestled with) to which objectivism gives simplistic answers.</p>
<p>I believe that we are constructed in layers. I believe that the animal always exists within us. </p>
<p>If one admantly wants to be an atheist, one could consider the more developed philosophies of jainism, buddhism, sankhya or vedanta. All of these philosophies are near-atheistic, some of them having evolutionary overtones. </p>
<p>Pesonally, I am an agnostic, because i believe that it is the only position that any scientifically inclined person, who is open to new experiences can honestly take.
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		<title>by: Ravikiran</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3146</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ram, I am trying hard to understand your point, but I am failing. Mind you, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I understand that rationality depends on the context. I just don't understand how your example is making that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ram, I am trying hard to understand your point, but I am failing. Mind you, I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree with you. I understand that rationality depends on the context. I just don&#8217;t understand how your example is making that point.
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		<title>by: Mother T</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3147</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sigh this post provided much food for thought and I wish the morons who are running the country where I am currently residing could see that. To think a Florida legislator is sponsoring a bill to allow students to sue their professors if they think their &quot;conservative&quot; views are not being respected..Ayn Rand must be turning in her grave....actually she must be two Bushims away from pulling a &quot;Second coming&quot;(Sorry JC you'll have to come up with something new!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh this post provided much food for thought and I wish the morons who are running the country where I am currently residing could see that. To think a Florida legislator is sponsoring a bill to allow students to sue their professors if they think their &#8220;conservative&#8221; views are not being respected..Ayn Rand must be turning in her grave&#8230;.actually she must be two Bushims away from pulling a &#8220;Second coming&#8221;(Sorry JC you&#8217;ll have to come up with something new!)
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		<title>by: AST</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3148</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Generally, I concur with this post, but I don't believe that there is such a thing as pure reason so long as we have limited knowledge.  Too often &quot;rationalists&quot; come up with arguments that assume, for example, that lack of the kind of proof they will accept is a counter-proof. That's what atheism is. 

Our rationality might be limited by who we are and the way we process information. It's definitely limited by our assumptions.  That's where imagination comes in.  Because our knowledge about the universe is limited by the speed of light, we can never really know what is going on in other places, yet we assume that everything is the same as what we can see.  We still don't understand what time is, what causes our perceptions of it, or how it affects reality.  What happens inside a Black Hole, when mass approaches infinity and velocities reach lightspeed. 

Like Newton's physics, our rationality suffices most of the time, but we should always leave room for Einstein and new ways of understanding what we may never have questioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally, I concur with this post, but I don&#8217;t believe that there is such a thing as pure reason so long as we have limited knowledge.  Too often &#8220;rationalists&#8221; come up with arguments that assume, for example, that lack of the kind of proof they will accept is a counter-proof. That&#8217;s what atheism is. </p>
<p>Our rationality might be limited by who we are and the way we process information. It&#8217;s definitely limited by our assumptions.  That&#8217;s where imagination comes in.  Because our knowledge about the universe is limited by the speed of light, we can never really know what is going on in other places, yet we assume that everything is the same as what we can see.  We still don&#8217;t understand what time is, what causes our perceptions of it, or how it affects reality.  What happens inside a Black Hole, when mass approaches infinity and velocities reach lightspeed. </p>
<p>Like Newton&#8217;s physics, our rationality suffices most of the time, but we should always leave room for Einstein and new ways of understanding what we may never have questioned.
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		<title>by: gowetnoodle</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3149</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with you mostly AST, but I think atheism actually comes from parsimony... It's a reasonable best guess - significantly better than every religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you mostly AST, but I think atheism actually comes from parsimony&#8230; It&#8217;s a reasonable best guess - significantly better than every religion.
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		<title>by: Nerve Endings Firing Away</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/04/01/putting-faith-in-reason/#comment-3150</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The Bharteeya Blog Mela, hiccups and all is back at Nerve Endings Firing Away. It is going to be a long night, but lets us get to it without much ado: Halfway through a visit to Bangalore, Tom Friedman, threw
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