Comments on: Energy or ecological economics, anyone? http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 03:31:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Maryland Mesothelioma Lawyer http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-8011 Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:46:21 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-8011 Hi there! I'm Desiree Bronson, from San Diego, California. Your blog is really organized, informative, and it contained lots of the info I needed for my highschool research paper. Thanks you so much! Hi there! I’m Desiree Bronson, from San Diego, California. Your blog is really organized, informative, and it contained lots of the info I needed for my highschool research paper. Thanks you so much!

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]]> by: Ck http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3083 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3083 Nice post Prakash and some of your suggestions are very good. My only issue is that scarcity on no longer an issue in any current environmental argument. What you quote is about 30 years out of date. The issue today is not where energy is going to coe form but what we are going to use as an energy source and what impacts that will have on the environment. The environmental argument today is conserve instad of use more. To me it just makes more sense to use more efficient cars than to go out and find even more oil (as the Bush admin is proposing). Also keeping with the free-market theory it is cheaper for the consumer to use less (55 mpg from a Toyota Prius as opposed to 10 mpg from a n SUV - you do the math). Inerestingly Ford is coming out with its first hybrid gas-electric SUV which shows that the market is in fact responding to consumer wants. I believe that the response would be even greater if the price of oil was allowed to reflect true costs rather than be artifically controlled. So yes the free markets should operate but can only do so if the crucial indicator - the price of oil is allowed to reflect actual costs (not to mention the costs required to secure it in terms of middle-east policy and wars). Nice post Prakash and some of your suggestions are very good. My only issue is that scarcity on no longer an issue in any current environmental argument. What you quote is about 30 years out of date.

The issue today is not where energy is going to coe form but what we are going to use as an energy source and what impacts that will have on the environment.

The environmental argument today is conserve instad of use more. To me it just makes more sense to use more efficient cars than to go out and find even more oil (as the Bush admin is proposing). Also keeping with the free-market theory it is cheaper for the consumer to use less (55 mpg from a Toyota Prius as opposed to 10 mpg from a n SUV - you do the math). Inerestingly Ford is coming out with its first hybrid gas-electric SUV which shows that the market is in fact responding to consumer wants. I believe that the response would be even greater if the price of oil was allowed to reflect true costs rather than be artifically controlled.

So yes the free markets should operate but can only do so if the crucial indicator - the price of oil is allowed to reflect actual costs (not to mention the costs required to secure it in terms of middle-east policy and wars).

]]> by: prakash http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3084 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3084 <blockquote>The issue today is not where energy is going to coe form but what we are going to use as an energy source and what impacts that will have on the environment. </blockquote> I had given two examples - nuclear and algae bio-diesel for precisely this reason. Both are environmentally good. <blockquote>but can only do so if the crucial indicator - the price of oil is allowed to reflect actual costs (not to mention the costs required to secure it in terms of middle-east policy and wars).</blockquote> I completely agree. Armies patrolling oil installations is not the way to go. It is better to get oil from countries that spread the value of their resources to all their populace, thus encouraging a continual smooth usage of resources.

The issue today is not where energy is going to coe form but what we are going to use as an energy source and what impacts that will have on the environment.

I had given two examples - nuclear and algae bio-diesel for precisely this reason. Both are environmentally good.

but can only do so if the crucial indicator - the price of oil is allowed to reflect actual costs (not to mention the costs required to secure it in terms of middle-east policy and wars).

I completely agree. Armies patrolling oil installations is not the way to go. It is better to get oil from countries that spread the value of their resources to all their populace, thus encouraging a continual smooth usage of resources.

]]> by: anon http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3085 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3085 Some caveats - There isnt enough uranium around to sustain Nuclear fission. Fusion might be the only choice. - I am not sure about algae-Biodeisel but other forms of Biodeisel can compete with agriculture for land and drastically reduce per capita food production. per capita food produced has been declining since the late 80s. Not a good trend. All in all it is thanks to environmental awareness that such alternative resources are being pursued and one needs to thank environmentalists for that. Some caveats
- There isnt enough uranium around to sustain Nuclear fission. Fusion might be the only choice.

- I am not sure about algae-Biodeisel but other forms of Biodeisel can compete with agriculture for land and drastically reduce per capita food production. per capita food produced has been declining since the late 80s. Not a good trend.

All in all it is thanks to environmental awareness that such alternative resources are being pursued and one needs to thank environmentalists for that.

]]> by: Ck http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3086 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3086 Actually I think Nuclear is very good alternative - yes there is the problem of disposal of waste but I htink it is the lesser of the two evils. Wired magazine has a good <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.02/nuclear.html" rel="nofollow">article</a> on the resurgence of Nuclear energy as a viable energy source. Actually I think Nuclear is very good alternative - yes there is the problem of disposal of waste but I htink it is the lesser of the two evils. Wired magazine has a good article on the resurgence of Nuclear energy as a viable energy source.

]]> by: Ashok http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3087 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3087 i am surprised you didnt make a mention of the system of trading in co2 credits as recommended by kyoto. it turns clean-environment into a commoddity, if i as a country have lower overall emissions, i can sell "co2 credits" to another country...which is good for poorer countries who are allowed to sell credits without having to immediately with the strict reduction goals..... i am surprised you didnt make a mention of the system of trading in co2 credits as recommended by kyoto. it turns clean-environment into a commoddity, if i as a country have lower overall emissions, i can sell “co2 credits” to another country…which is good for poorer countries who are allowed to sell credits without having to immediately with the strict reduction goals…..

]]> by: Prakash http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3088 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3088 Hi Ashok, I didn't mention Kyoto because my post was about how industrial civilization will survive with the decline of rich concentrated energy sources. Kyoto isn't related to this. It is a system of reducing carbon emissions, which i don't believe is necessary. Hi Ashok,

I didn’t mention Kyoto because my post was about how industrial civilization will survive with the decline of rich concentrated energy sources. Kyoto isn’t related to this. It is a system of reducing carbon emissions, which i don’t believe is necessary.

]]> by: Kush Tandon http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3089 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/03/14/energy-or-ecological-economics-anyone/#comment-3089 Interesting ideas but are they feasible. No harm in thinking out aloud. I have some of my ideas on energy crisis. Please visit my blog <a href="http://www.kushtandon.squarespace.com" rel="nofollow">www.kushtandon.squarespace.com</a> Kush Interesting ideas but are they feasible. No harm in thinking out aloud.

I have some of my ideas on energy crisis. Please visit my blog www.kushtandon.squarespace.com
Kush

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