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		<title>by: Ashish Hanwadikar</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3039</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Ability&quot;? You mean ability to perform some objective function? Or you mean ability to provide some subjective value? 

If it the latter then it doesn't matter as each one can vote based on his own subjective judgement! No questions asked!

If it the former then we wouldn't be having ordinary people doing the judgement. We would be having a panel of experts doing objective analysis and giving the judgement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ability&#8221;? You mean ability to perform some objective function? Or you mean ability to provide some subjective value? </p>
<p>If it the latter then it doesn&#8217;t matter as each one can vote based on his own subjective judgement! No questions asked!</p>
<p>If it the former then we wouldn&#8217;t be having ordinary people doing the judgement. We would be having a panel of experts doing objective analysis and giving the judgement.
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		<title>by: Nilu</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3040</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Will you vote for someone in a game show just because he's from your city? Or your region? or religion? or caste? or would you rather go on ability? And what do you think of a newspaper which prefers to toss out ability in favour of more sectarian reasons?&lt;/i&gt;.

That depends on my individual perception of ability and the effect the result might have personally. If it is a talent contest and am a 'not so talented' mediocre SOB say in Madras, I might as well vote and convince others in Madras to vote for a guy from the city so that I might stand a chance next time around by precedent.

If I am a supremely talented guy in Madras, I might ask folks in Bombay to vote based on Talent and just that. I do not see a problem with either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Will you vote for someone in a game show just because he&#8217;s from your city? Or your region? or religion? or caste? or would you rather go on ability? And what do you think of a newspaper which prefers to toss out ability in favour of more sectarian reasons?</i>.</p>
<p>That depends on my individual perception of ability and the effect the result might have personally. If it is a talent contest and am a &#8216;not so talented&#8217; mediocre SOB say in Madras, I might as well vote and convince others in Madras to vote for a guy from the city so that I might stand a chance next time around by precedent.</p>
<p>If I am a supremely talented guy in Madras, I might ask folks in Bombay to vote based on Talent and just that. I do not see a problem with either.
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		<title>by: Shreyas</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3041</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If it is a game show contest, there is no way a winner will be influencing my life in any way. (Except, may be, if he/she lands up in Bollywood and stars in an inane flick I happen to catch!!) 

So, I will just vote for someone I like. And, while I am at it, I might as well make it interesting by wagering on him/her and earn something out of watching a game show! Ability and region be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it is a game show contest, there is no way a winner will be influencing my life in any way. (Except, may be, if he/she lands up in Bollywood and stars in an inane flick I happen to catch!!) </p>
<p>So, I will just vote for someone I like. And, while I am at it, I might as well make it interesting by wagering on him/her and earn something out of watching a game show! Ability and region be damned.
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		<title>by: amit varma</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3042</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I couldn't resist posting on this myself, you can read that &lt;a href=&quot;http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2005/02/psychology-of-indian-idol-voters.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. My take on this:

Long before &lt;i&gt;Mid Day&lt;/i&gt; started running this campaign, people were voting on the basis of other things than ability anyway. Consider how long Ravinder Ravi lasted, to the astonishment of the judges and fans, despite singing so badly. Apparently there was a pitched campaign for him in Ludhiana, and a legion of supporters shattered by his (well-deserved) defeat.

I've been watching the show from the start, and it's interesting to see how vote banks of different people have shifted with their elimination. For example, Rahul Vaidya was the strongest candidate much of the way through, but while he is an excellent singer, he has a polarising personality: people tend to either like him or dislike him. The first category of people was strong when there were many candidates in the fray, as the second category's votes got split. But as the candidates dropped out, the vote banks of the eliminated candidates shifted to people other than Rahul, and by the time there were four people left, he was no longer the leader, and was eliminated after the round of three.

Ditto Ravinder Ravi. He had his die-hard fans who kept him alive, but the votebank of every eliminated candidate shifted to other people, and his number of votes remained stable, until he was eventually eliminated.

But shouldn't the winner be chosen on ability, you ask in consternation. Well yes, of course it &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt;. But in reality, it &lt;i&gt;can't&lt;/i&gt; be that way with so many people voting. With most of the finalists being more or less equally good singers, one's qualitative assessment of a singer tends to be swayed by subconscious biases, and the sum total of those biases ultimately makes the difference. 

Both the finalists, for example, are excellent singers, and any difference in their abilities will be such a nuanced, technical one that only experts will be able to pass judgement on it, and even they may differ. Most of the people voting will effectively vote on the basis of other considerations, convincing themselves that their choice is the better singer, but actually swayed by other things. (The number of factors influencing that could range from where the singers are from, what kind of songs they sing, what kind of clothes they wear, how much the voter can empathise with them, and so on.) 

So who will be the first Indian Idol? Abhijeet may win because he is taller and good looking. Amit Sana may win because he came second in the last round, and his followers may vote more desperately while Abhijeet's may get a bit complacent. (One reason why this trend might be strong: Sana's throat infection. His chances might actually get &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt; if he sings badly, and they can't be harmed, because everyone knows by now what a good singer he is.) I think most regular viewers of the show already know who they will vote for. It's just a question of mobilising the base, which made such a huge difference in Bush v Kerry.

My two favourites among the final 11 were Rahul Saxena and Aditi Paul, though. I think Saxena lost out early because everybody assumed, including me, that he's so damn good that one doesn't need to waste an SMS or a phone call voting for him. Aditi just chose the wrong song, and had a bad day. Among people who didn't make it to the final 11, I thought Sudeshna and Ronkini rocked. 

While stating a fact, by the way, I am not proposing a value. Just because biases play a big part in determing such contests, I am not justifying it, or saying that should be the case. &lt;i&gt;Of course&lt;/i&gt; the winner should be the person who is qualitatively the best. But who is to judge that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t resist posting on this myself, you can read that <a href="http://indiauncut.blogspot.com/2005/02/psychology-of-indian-idol-voters.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. My take on this:</p>
<p>Long before <i>Mid Day</i> started running this campaign, people were voting on the basis of other things than ability anyway. Consider how long Ravinder Ravi lasted, to the astonishment of the judges and fans, despite singing so badly. Apparently there was a pitched campaign for him in Ludhiana, and a legion of supporters shattered by his (well-deserved) defeat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been watching the show from the start, and it&#8217;s interesting to see how vote banks of different people have shifted with their elimination. For example, Rahul Vaidya was the strongest candidate much of the way through, but while he is an excellent singer, he has a polarising personality: people tend to either like him or dislike him. The first category of people was strong when there were many candidates in the fray, as the second category&#8217;s votes got split. But as the candidates dropped out, the vote banks of the eliminated candidates shifted to people other than Rahul, and by the time there were four people left, he was no longer the leader, and was eliminated after the round of three.</p>
<p>Ditto Ravinder Ravi. He had his die-hard fans who kept him alive, but the votebank of every eliminated candidate shifted to other people, and his number of votes remained stable, until he was eventually eliminated.</p>
<p>But shouldn&#8217;t the winner be chosen on ability, you ask in consternation. Well yes, of course it <i>should</i>. But in reality, it <i>can&#8217;t</i> be that way with so many people voting. With most of the finalists being more or less equally good singers, one&#8217;s qualitative assessment of a singer tends to be swayed by subconscious biases, and the sum total of those biases ultimately makes the difference. </p>
<p>Both the finalists, for example, are excellent singers, and any difference in their abilities will be such a nuanced, technical one that only experts will be able to pass judgement on it, and even they may differ. Most of the people voting will effectively vote on the basis of other considerations, convincing themselves that their choice is the better singer, but actually swayed by other things. (The number of factors influencing that could range from where the singers are from, what kind of songs they sing, what kind of clothes they wear, how much the voter can empathise with them, and so on.) </p>
<p>So who will be the first Indian Idol? Abhijeet may win because he is taller and good looking. Amit Sana may win because he came second in the last round, and his followers may vote more desperately while Abhijeet&#8217;s may get a bit complacent. (One reason why this trend might be strong: Sana&#8217;s throat infection. His chances might actually get <i>better</i> if he sings badly, and they can&#8217;t be harmed, because everyone knows by now what a good singer he is.) I think most regular viewers of the show already know who they will vote for. It&#8217;s just a question of mobilising the base, which made such a huge difference in Bush v Kerry.</p>
<p>My two favourites among the final 11 were Rahul Saxena and Aditi Paul, though. I think Saxena lost out early because everybody assumed, including me, that he&#8217;s so damn good that one doesn&#8217;t need to waste an SMS or a phone call voting for him. Aditi just chose the wrong song, and had a bad day. Among people who didn&#8217;t make it to the final 11, I thought Sudeshna and Ronkini rocked. </p>
<p>While stating a fact, by the way, I am not proposing a value. Just because biases play a big part in determing such contests, I am not justifying it, or saying that should be the case. <i>Of course</i> the winner should be the person who is qualitatively the best. But who is to judge that?
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		<title>by: Twilight Fairy</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3043</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clearly this isn't a &quot;reality&quot; show. For in real, one should be judging on talent. Here the judges themselves (except for Sonu Nigam) are inappropriate to judge a singing talent show. The indian audience which will obviously go crazy trying to sway the results in their preferred direction would get this time-waste of a show, good TRP's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly this isn&#8217;t a &#8220;reality&#8221; show. For in real, one should be judging on talent. Here the judges themselves (except for Sonu Nigam) are inappropriate to judge a singing talent show. The indian audience which will obviously go crazy trying to sway the results in their preferred direction would get this time-waste of a show, good TRP&#8217;s.
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		<title>by: Twilight Fairy</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3044</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clearly this isn't a &quot;reality&quot; show. For in real, one should be judging on talent. Here the judges themselves (except for Sonu Nigam) are inappropriate to judge a singing talent show. The indian audience which will obviously go crazy trying to sway the results in their preferred direction would get this time-waste of a show, good TRP's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly this isn&#8217;t a &#8220;reality&#8221; show. For in real, one should be judging on talent. Here the judges themselves (except for Sonu Nigam) are inappropriate to judge a singing talent show. The indian audience which will obviously go crazy trying to sway the results in their preferred direction would get this time-waste of a show, good TRP&#8217;s.
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		<title>by: BB</title>
		<link>http://www.yazadjal.com/2005/02/23/vote-for-what-doesnt-matter/#comment-3045</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Even tabloids are less biased for they are uniformly snarky. 
I think that some grassroots love &quot;sons of the soil&quot; generally, and Mid-Day's market may 
explain the article. Fortunately for Mid-Day, it  doesn't have a reputation to protect. 
That said, I like A.S. more than A.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even tabloids are less biased for they are uniformly snarky.<br />
I think that some grassroots love &#8220;sons of the soil&#8221; generally, and Mid-Day&#8217;s market may<br />
explain the article. Fortunately for Mid-Day, it  doesn&#8217;t have a reputation to protect.<br />
That said, I like A.S. more than A.S.
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		<title>by: chaitanya</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>amit sana u r d best singer tht i hav ever heard,u r simply superb and i cant tell u how much i am crazy abt u.u r d best singer and i thnk u beat even sonu.u r the idol.no second thought abt tht</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amit sana u r d best singer tht i hav ever heard,u r simply superb and i cant tell u how much i am crazy abt u.u r d best singer and i thnk u beat even sonu.u r the idol.no second thought abt tht
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		<title>by: sakshi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My vote is for the guy with billion dollars smile.. its Abhijeert.. who knws hw to attract the audiences with his performance. he knw hw to present himself n is always consistent since the beginning of the show. Abhi, is the most loved one contestent for many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vote is for the guy with billion dollars smile.. its Abhijeert.. who knws hw to attract the audiences with his performance. he knw hw to present himself n is always consistent since the beginning of the show. Abhi, is the most loved one contestent for many.
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		<title>by: radha raman</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>abhijeet has won, but for me,
AMIT SANA was always a winner from the start.Even after losing he has proved himself to be a winner by his humility and compassionate heart.As a person younger to AMIT , i get a lot of inspiration and josh from him.He is definitely capable of inspiring people elder or younger to him.I hope he successfully completes his graduation with flying colours and then takes up singing as a full time career.My best wishes to u AMIT SANA and GOD BLESS YOU !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>abhijeet has won, but for me,<br />
AMIT SANA was always a winner from the start.Even after losing he has proved himself to be a winner by his humility and compassionate heart.As a person younger to AMIT , i get a lot of inspiration and josh from him.He is definitely capable of inspiring people elder or younger to him.I hope he successfully completes his graduation with flying colours and then takes up singing as a full time career.My best wishes to u AMIT SANA and GOD BLESS YOU !!!
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