Comments on: Fined for bungling national anthem http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/ Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:58:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: mexico s national anthem http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-74021 Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:58:46 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-74021 [...] [...] […] […]

]]> by: Ricardo http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-18062 Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:31:12 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-18062 A todos los estadounidenses aqui chignen su madre, mexico vale mucho pero nunca seremos parte de estados unidos, ustedes seran parte de nosotros. estados unidos necesita a mexico, ya veran que mexico pateara su trasea fuck you U.S. A todos los estadounidenses aqui chignen su madre, mexico vale mucho pero nunca seremos parte de estados unidos, ustedes seran parte de nosotros.

estados unidos necesita a mexico, ya veran que mexico pateara su trasea

fuck you U.S.

]]> by: Pushpa Pal http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-10411 Wed, 30 Aug 2006 12:11:07 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-10411 As being a citizen of the country why couldn't one respect its National Anthem ? or for any country, their feeling should be respected as being a civilized individual. It is pity that some one ever need to force it. Thousand of people gave up their life to attain the kind of freedom you and me are enjoying. Thousand of soldiers die every day to protect their country men from insecurity. Then is it a big sacrifice for one to stand up for 2 minutes while before enjoying even a movie. I believe the feeling of patrotism for one's country is the only medicine to unite people in a country of different religion, cast, region and custom. Else we could disintegrates to the erra of humans where one hunt another for securing his own life and live in fear all their life. As being a citizen of the country why couldn’t one respect its National Anthem ? or for any country, their feeling should be respected as being a civilized individual. It is pity that some one ever need to force it. Thousand of people gave up their life to attain the kind of freedom you and me are enjoying. Thousand of soldiers die every day to protect their country men from insecurity. Then is it a big sacrifice for one to stand up for 2 minutes while before enjoying even a movie. I believe the feeling of patrotism for one’s country is the only medicine to unite people in a country of different religion, cast, region and custom. Else we could disintegrates to the erra of humans where one hunt another for securing his own life and live in fear all their life.

]]> by: Mark http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2440 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2440 According to <i>The Economist</i>, it is a crime punishable by 10 years in prison to say that Turkey committed "genocide" by killing Armenians during World War I, to advocate withdrawing Turkish troops from Cyprus, or engage in other "anti-national" activities. It is also a serious crime to say anything bad about the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. In terms of compelling patriotism in a semi-free country, I would say Turkey beats Mexico or India hands down. And this is a country that hopes to join the EU eventually. According to The Economist, it is a crime punishable by 10 years in prison to say that Turkey committed “genocide” by killing Armenians during World War I, to advocate withdrawing Turkish troops from Cyprus, or engage in other “anti-national” activities. It is also a serious crime to say anything bad about the founder of modern Turkey, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
In terms of compelling patriotism in a semi-free country, I would say Turkey beats Mexico or India hands down. And this is a country that hopes to join the EU eventually.

]]> by: Nandan http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2441 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2441 ...And with respect to the Indian National Anthem, it's all the more tragic, since it is basically A**-kissing some British King. All those goose pimples that people get on their collective skins, all for nothing! If Nehru really approved of this song as the National Anthem, he must have had a really twisted sense of humour. …And with respect to the Indian National Anthem, it’s all the more tragic, since it is basically A**-kissing some British King. All those goose pimples that people get on their collective skins, all for nothing! If Nehru really approved of this song as the National Anthem, he must have had a really twisted sense of humour.

]]> by: Yazad http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2442 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2442 Nandan, the moot point is whether "vidhaata" in the Indian National Anthem points to the Lord above or King George V. But I sympathise with poor Jawaharlal Nehru on this point. What choice did he have? Vande Mataram with it's outright Hindu symbolism (India as Godess Durga?) or Saare Jahan se Achcha, written by Iqbal who became the Pakistani national poet after partition. Tagore was the least controversial choice. And the Jaya He has a very <i>Vive Le France</i> touch to it! Nandan, the moot point is whether “vidhaata” in the Indian National Anthem points to the Lord above or King George V.

But I sympathise with poor Jawaharlal Nehru on this point. What choice did he have? Vande Mataram with it’s outright Hindu symbolism (India as Godess Durga?) or Saare Jahan se Achcha, written by Iqbal who became the Pakistani national poet after partition.

Tagore was the least controversial choice. And the Jaya He has a very Vive Le France touch to it!

]]> by: Yazad http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2443 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2443 Mark, the irony is that Turkey may use that law to prosecute members of a human rights commission set up by the Turkish government! I quote from the <a href="http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displayStory.cfm?subjectid=348951&story_id=3379889" rel="nofollow">Economist article</a> you mention. <blockquote>It is possible, though unlikely, says Husnu Ondul, a human-rights lawyer, that the two authors may be prosecuted under an article of the new penal code approved in September, which provides for up to ten years' jail for those who engage in unspecified “activities” against the “national interest”. What might such activities be? In a footnote, the law deems “anti-national” anyone who advocates withdrawing Turkish troops from Cyprus, or terming “genocide” the killing of hundreds of thousands of Armenians in 1915.</blockquote> <i>Unfortunately, the article is "premium content" and not available to non subscribers. If anyone would like to see a text version, mail me and I'll send it to you.</i> Mark, the irony is that Turkey may use that law to prosecute members of a human rights commission set up by the Turkish government! I quote from the Economist article you mention.
It is possible, though unlikely, says Husnu Ondul, a human-rights lawyer, that the two authors may be prosecuted under an article of the new penal code approved in September, which provides for up to ten years’ jail for those who engage in unspecified “activities” against the “national interest”. What might such activities be? In a footnote, the law deems “anti-national” anyone who advocates withdrawing Turkish troops from Cyprus, or terming “genocide” the killing of hundreds of thousands of Armenians in 1915.

Unfortunately, the article is “premium content” and not available to non subscribers. If anyone would like to see a text version, mail me and I’ll send it to you.

]]> by: Niket http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2444 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2444 Would you consider Laloo and Rabri sitting through a rendition of our national anthem a disrespect to the nation? Just curious. Would you consider Laloo and Rabri sitting through a rendition of our national anthem a disrespect to the nation? Just curious.

]]> by: MadMan http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2445 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2445 Niket, I don't even subscribe to the concept of "respect to the nation", so your question is immaterial to me. ;) Niket, I don’t even subscribe to the concept of “respect to the nation”, so your question is immaterial to me. ;)

]]> by: Dilip http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2446 Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.yazadjal.com/2004/11/16/fined-for-bungling-national-anthem/#comment-2446 Thank you YJ for getting into this discussion. The national anthem during films is among the more absurd measures of so-called patriotism I've run across, almost as absurd as pretending that sitting down during the playing of the national anthem is automatically disrespect. And that, if you even concede the point that MadMan isn't willing to concede (and good for him): that a nation somehow must automatically command respect. But about Lalu and Rabri: Niket, I've seen that famous photo too, and the first thing that struck me is, there's no obvious sign anywhere in it that it was taken during the playing of the national anthem. It's only the say so of the Lalu/Rabri haters, clutching at yet one more straw to flay them with, that we have to tell us the anthem was being played. And I'm sorry, I'm somewhat sceptical of such say sos. You should be too. Thank you YJ for getting into this discussion. The national anthem during films is among the more absurd measures of so-called patriotism I’ve run across, almost as absurd as pretending that sitting down during the playing of the national anthem is automatically disrespect. And that, if you even concede the point that MadMan isn’t willing to concede (and good for him): that a nation somehow must automatically command respect.

But about Lalu and Rabri: Niket, I’ve seen that famous photo too, and the first thing that struck me is, there’s no obvious sign anywhere in it that it was taken during the playing of the national anthem. It’s only the say so of the Lalu/Rabri haters, clutching at yet one more straw to flay them with, that we have to tell us the anthem was being played. And I’m sorry, I’m somewhat sceptical of such say sos.

You should be too.

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